J.D. Vance says in 2020 he wouldn’t certify election: ‘Let the country have the debate’

Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, the Republican vice presidential candidate, said Monday that if he were in former Vice President Mike Pence's place, he would not have certified the election on January 6, 2021.

Speaking as part of a panel on the All-In Podcast, Vance told cohost Jason Calacanis the issue wasn't necessarily Pence deciding not to "overturn the election results," but rather that "Mike Pence could have done more to sort of surface some problems."'

Calacanis replied by asking Vance directly if he would have certified the election.

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"I happen to think that there were issues back in 2020, particularly in Pennsylvania. Even some of the courts that refused to throw out certified ballots did say that there were ballots that were cast in an illegal way. They just refused to actually decertify the election results in Pennsylvania," Vance said. "Do I think that we could have had a much more rational conversation about how to ensure that only legal ballots are cast? Yes. And do I think that Mike Pence could have played a better role? Yes."

Calacanis asked Vance again if he'd have certified the election, and Vance appears to back the plan to send fake electors to cause confusion in the certification process.

"I would have asked the states to submit alternative slates of electors and let the country have the debate about what actually matters and what kind of an election that we have. That's what I would have done," Vance said. "The important part is we would have had a big debate. And it doesn't necessarily mean the results would have been any different, but we would, at least, have had the debate in Pennsylvania and Georgia about how to better have a rational election system where legal ballots are cast."

Democrats heavily criticized Vance's statement.

“Donald Trump picked J.D. Vance as his running mate because he knows that Vance will do what his last vice president wouldn’t—undermine our democracy and help him try to overturn election results. Now, Vance is making it clear: instead of certifying the 2020 election, Vance ‘would have asked the states’ to send slates of fake electors and throw our election into chaos to help Trump stay in power. Vance is clearly laying out the stakes of this election for our democracy and our basic freedoms, and showing voters that if given the chance, he’ll try to replace the rule of law with the rule of Trump,” Alex Floyd, the rapid response director for the DNC, said in a statement.

Vance's claims of there being illegal ballots in Pennsylvania appears to be based on a claim from former President Donald Trump in 2022. Trump said that a then-recent Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that ballots sent in undated envelopes will not be counted in that year's election meant that the 2020 election was "rigged, but they'll let that result stand."

The Associated Press debunked Trump's claim, reporting that not only did Trump misrepresent the court's ruling, but even if his claim was accurate, throwing out these ballots would not have mattered in the election.