Oleg Tsarev: Crimea uniquely Russian general support. disappointed no. Олег Царёв: в Крыму однозначно всеобщая поддержка России. Разочаровавшихся нет
Oleg Tsarev: Crimea uniquely Russian general support. disappointed no
A politician chosen Speaker of the Parliament of New Russia, said on air of the radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda", why leave the Donbass, and went to live in the Crimea. Leading Sergey Fish
Sergey Fish:
- Good evening. Greetings to all. In Crimea, turned off the light. We had scheduled a session on Skype with our colleague Israel Shamir and Oleg Tsarev, who are now in the Crimea. Welcome Israel.
Israel Shamir:
- Hello. There is a great need to introduce our guest. I'm sure many of our listeners and so knows Oleg Tsarov. This is a politician of the old Ukrainian, who was currently on the side of Russia. It turned into political exile. And he began a new life in the Crimea, where we talk to him now in good old sanatorium them. Kirov.
Sergey Fish:
- You mean that Oleg lives in the Crimea? His office is in the Moscow.
Israel Shamir:
- Yes, he lives in the Crimea. In Ukraine, it issued an arrest warrant. If it's there waiting, waiting for something with obviously naughty intentions. He told me a wonderful joke: thank God that I'm looking at Kolyma, and in the Crimea. And, indeed, Crimea warmer than Kolyma. But the expat life is still not an easy. And here it is, of course, is hard enough in all respects. But the most interesting, in my opinion, is that for a short time Oleg was almost an alternative leader of Ukraine, Speaker of the Parliament of New Russia - the state, which has not emerged. And one of the things that interested me, why is not there Novorossia whether flights are now disassemble or it is not necessary to think more. Will any future project at the New Russia? What will happen with the Russian people in eastern Ukraine? And will continue to shape the fate of millions of Diaspora Ukrainians moved to Russia?
Sergey Fish:
- We are joined Tsarev.
Oleg Tsarev:
- Hello.
Sergey Fish:
- You have been Chairman of the Parliament of New Russia. You yourself already in this status are not numbers. How are you attestuete who you are now?
Oleg Tsarev:
- This is a dual situation. On the one hand, the parliament is not dissolved. On the other hand, its activities frozen. And we are in a long-term rental - Speaker of the Parliament and MPs.
Sergey Fish:
- There are people who also reckon themselves as part of the Parliament of New Russia?
Oleg Tsarev:
- This is 60 people. We write license, there are a number of regulations. The agreement - a treaty of alliance between the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. Regulations of the Parliament, laws have been adopted. Adopted Novorossia flag. And a number of laws.
Sergey Fish:
- Of the major achievements that have legalized Novorossia, the last - delivery of documents, official passports DNI. You know about this? How many people have received these passports?
Oleg Tsarev:
- This procedure is only driven around. People have great concern that these passports will not allow to come to Ukraine. But in other countries that do not recognize DNR and LNR.Will they make it possible to come to Russia?
Sergey Fish:
- There was no consultation on this issue with Moscow?
Oleg Tsarev:
- The question, as I understand it, not yet fully resolved.
Sergey Fish:
- How do you see your own function, while in Russia? Do you regularly live in the Crimea?
Oleg Tsarev:
- Yes it's true.
Sergey Fish:
- What do you do?
Oleg Tsarev:
- I spent the last two years is actually at war.
Sergey Fish:
- Mr. Shamir have presented as a man who needs no introduction. But the first news Yandex to your reference will have to scroll through several pages. You seem to be missing.
Oleg Tsarev:
- Really, it is. I am not in active politics. And most engaged children, family. Believe me, a family that was forced to leave home to work - my wife, and we are now settling down in a new place.
Sergey Fish:
- You were employed in the Crimea?
Israel Shamir:
- Oleg does not deal with now actively in politics, as he himself says. Nevertheless, he was one of which occurred two years ago, the most active participants in the events. The topic is huge, very heavy. Why I failed Novorossia project? Why could not free his native Dnepropetrovsk? Kharkov Why not free? Why eventually Oleg had to be in the Crimea? As the date of the rotary offer on February 22 - the day when the Congress was in Kharkov. After that, many leaders of the future of New Russia decided to support the Kiev junta.
Oleg Tsarev:
- I think that was the turning several cases. The ability to stop the Maidan was up in the morning on February 19. That night, when was the last opportunity to put things in order on the Maidan. A 20-th were seized weapons caches in western Ukraine ... In Kharkov, Lviv, Ternopil. And with this weapon the 20th day of the Maidan has already stormed to do ... nothing was impossible. As regards the possibility to save most of the Ukrainian population at large, this possibility is maintained for a long time. I think you can call the end of a more or less peaceful opportunity to create a New Russia is a presidential election and the recognition Poroshenko many countries, including Russia, the legitimately elected president of Ukraine.In Kharkov, yes, there was Congress. Congress has shown that quite difficult to consolidate ... Nevertheless, in each region had its own active people are not surrendering, active, who continued to fight. I want to say that the ability to raise the Southeast remained long enough. In each district, in each area were leaders appointed Yanukovych. The police, armed forces, security services, the administration, the regional councils. All these were the officials and deputies, who understood that the change of power they will lose power. And no one is going to protect that power.
Sergey Fish:
- We do not have a historical program. These memories are precious to you, to your colleagues, for many of our listeners. But these data they own. Turning to the facts of the more recent chronologically. Let us turn to the Minsk agreements. Minsk agreement and the fate of what is meant by Novorossia, they compare? Or are you the enemy of the agreements that were reached in Minsk?
Oleg Tsarev:
- Anyone who was in the Donbas in the moment when we stood on the edge of disaster, when there were terrible attacks when Lugansk virtually been surrounded, if you remember, the first convoy there could not travel to Lugansk, because it was not driveways, the ... I was never an opponent of the Minsk agreements. Any agreement that leads to the cessation of the war, the fire - it is good, it should be supported. Another thing that this agreement will actually call into question the existence of our Parliament and the prospects of Donetsk and Lugansk republics independence.
Sergey Fish:
- Do you think it is unjustified victim? The prospect of the existence of the Parliament, the governing bodies, which were built and developed, that will have to abandon this in the framework of agreements?
Oleg Tsarev:
- If it is a question, I answer, that you are wrong. I am a maximalist.
Sergey Fish:
- The challenge is a victim or not? As soon hold those formations that ...
Oleg Tsarev:
- I'm a maximalist in life. And I've always been a supporter of the struggle for the whole Ukraine. After all, the word Novorossia invested in their own way. It is the nature of politics, I have been doing for a long time in politics, in order not to alienate all categories, we did not specify what is meant by this term. Many implied - pro-Russian Ukraine. Or part of Ukraine. Some thought - 8 areas, including Kirovohrad, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Mykolaiv, Donetsk, Lugansk. Here are eight regions, which historically belonged to New Russia. Donetsk and Lugansk were a little bit in a different region, it generally has historically Kuban. The historical part of Russia. But the New Russia - these were other areas. In addition to Donetsk and Lugansk.
Sergey Fish:
- Do you have an idea that can be formulated briefly: what the Minsk agreement?
Oleg Tsarev:
- Minsk agreement - it is an opportunity to stop by the political opposition in Ukraine.
Sergey Fish:
- How do you evaluate their implementation at this stage?
Oleg Tsarev:
- The ball is on the side of Ukraine. From this point of view, present or Donbas Russia something extremely difficult. I guess I'm a fighter myself, I sambist. Vladimir Vladimirovich very good use of the power of the enemy. For a long time Peter Poroshenko, the Ukrainian government injected Russophobia in Ukraine. And now they have to pass a law that in principle they can not accept. They currently have to fight against that power which they themselves have created - against Ukrainian nationalism. They can not do that. And at the same time show that a Russian or Donbas is extremely difficult. Everyone says that it is necessary to perform the Minsk agreement, abstract, although the points clearly understood that Ukraine should fulfill. Ukraine should adopt a law on the ... elections in Donbas. But Ukraine is not able to do. Because such sentiments in Ukraine, in the deputy corps. And it is very difficult to vote.
Israel Shamir:
- Oleg, tell us about your vision of the Crimea that occurred in the Crimea two years ago?
Sergey Fish:
- And about the current Crimea, Oleg also speak out.
Oleg Tsarev:
- In the Crimea, Russia is uniquely universal support. Disappointed not. All the difficulties that have arisen with the blackout, with enough good work of the banking system, mobile communication, you know, when I left, "Kyivstar", the shooting towers, broken equipment for mobile telephony was such as it is. Now it's all restored. Therefore, today's support for Crimean definitely not become less than it was during the referendum. It shows and opinion poll. As for the rest of Ukraine, it is really a great many Russian in Ukraine at the time of the referendum was a cocktail of feelings. On the one hand - the hope that the Crimean scenario will all other regions of Ukraine. On the other hand - there was fear that the annexation of Crimea Russia puts an end to the support of Russian in Ukraine. It was therefore difficult situation. It turns out that today's border, which is between the Crimea, that is, on the border of the Crimea between Russia and Ukraine, it separates including Russian, who live in Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, from the Russian Federation and from the Crimea.
Sergey Fish:
- And the citizens who live there, they are not able to enter the territory of the Crimea to Russia? They will not be allowed?
Oleg Tsarev:
- Very difficult passage. People who cross the border, they say that there are cordons "Right sector". We rode an employee, she had to explain why the cream jar is closed, as you carry it on sale. It is impossible to import things. There is a full inspection. They look into the phone, look what there is contact. And so on. All this creates a mental attitude that people are simply afraid to go to the Crimea.
Sergey Fish:
- Questions from the listener Natalia: "There are rumors that all humanitarian aid - half sold, half is divided among the officials of the NPT." What can you say?
Oleg Tsarev:
- The first humanitarian assistance that came to Donbass, she came through me, through the Parliament of New Russia. We settled in the procedure so that our members in her hands did not take. There was a distribution center, organized workflow so that deputies and officials did not have access to the humanitarian assistance. People came to our deputies to the reception, got a piece of paper that they can receive humanitarian aid went to the store and receiving. And really humanitarian aid partially fell to the bazaar. Because check whether a person is in need of humanitarian assistance or not, can not be one hundred percent. It's a conversation. Came a man spoke about his problems get coupons for the month ahead. Then he went away to the crossroads and sells this humanitarian aid. Whenever there is humanitarian aid, there is abuse.
Sergey Fish:
- On current supply you have any information?
Oleg Tsarev:
- I think that these issues should be set to the current leadership of the republic. In a nutshell, I want to say, no matter how criticized now many processes that occur in the Donbas, nevertheless the order becomes every day more and more.
Sergey Fish:
- Two more messages from listeners. . "Oleg Tsarev - best wishes revival Novorossia We believe and we are with you", - writes 09. Aleksandr61 critically expressed to President Putin, who arrives tomorrow in Crimea: "I think that Putin gave New Russia". We are ready to comment on such a short replica of the listener?
Oleg Tsarev:
- I will answer shortly. Without the help of Russian Donbass I would not have survived. Humanitarian, political assistance. Therefore, this statement is not entirely correct.
Sergey Fish:
- Tomorrow do not expect to get an audience with the President of the Russian Federation?
Oleg Tsarev:
- I am 30 years old MP, I have always been a rejection of the official events. If you had the opportunity to somewhere not participate, I have always used it. Now I have the opportunity - not to participate.
Sergey Fish:
- Our listeners have expressed support for Oleg Tsarev. "Whatever the choice of the residents of Donbass, we will support it They deserve a quiet life." - Says the listener 78. This support of Donbass.
Israel Shamir:
- What happened in the Crimea, two years ago? What were the options Crimea fate?
Oleg Tsarev:
- I have already said that the convening of the four was a people's deputy of Ukraine. For a long time in Ukrainian politics. Even in the Crimea, I fully monitor the situation, which is now in Ukraine. I call all the time, friends, politicians, undercover talk about things that are happening in Ukraine. there are several scenarios for the Crimea. Since the first referendum in the Crimea was ... Everyone knew that the Crimea - a painful point in Ukraine. There are people who always wanted to join Russia. I read a paper that lay on the table and then Leonid Kuchma to Yanukovych group of his advisers, which provided for the Crimea, in order to resolve this situation, voluntary transfer it to create a territory - free city. As Odessa was in tsarist Russia. Create a protectorate - Russian, Ukrainian. And in this document has been spelled out more Turkey, which was attached to the guarantee of the free zone of Crimea.
Sergey Fish:
- And on the Crimean side who would have participated in that agreement?
Oleg Tsarev:
- In the Crimea were going to create the kind of government that will truly Crimean. But the guarantor countries - Russia and Ukraine in the first place - should have to guarantee the independence of the Crimea. And there were calculations sufficiently compelling that if Crimea will be a free economic zone, to give the opportunity to create here an offshore zone, then all the money of the former Soviet Union, who are now spinning in Switzerland, England, the Virgin Islands, in Cyprus, they would have been here it would be the city of paradise. But Yanukovych and Kuchma of this embodiment did not. Although the authors of the memorandum wrote that the Crimea is better to give voluntarily, then it will save from the conflict, which will later on life in Ukraine dominated, with distant consequences. By the way, this was not the only area with which Ukraine proposed to voluntarily give up. There was another project disconnection of Galicia on the river Zbruch.
Sergey Fish:
- These projects are the authors?
Oleg Tsarev:
- Yes, these are my good friends. I call them will not, for obvious reasons. Some of them are still in Ukraine. Project disconnect Galicia based on the fact that Ukraine is still divided country. The same people who go to the Catholic Church, the Orthodox, have the Kyiv Patriarchate, the Moscow Patriarchate, Russian, Ukrainian languages, fought during World on different fronts. There civilizational conflict. And the Russian, as it is now in Ukraine, feel occupied. The country, which destroy the history, monuments, prohibit the language of the indigenous population, of course, feel occupied. And in order to remove the conflict, offering to give Galicia. It was controlled by the party "Freedom", which was controlled by the presidential administration, was painted, in the case of the right teams, they raise the subject department. And then Ukraine to hold a referendum, which lets Galicia. And it remains a territory in which there are no contradictions, which can move in the direction of the Russian Federation, the Customs Union. And this project, too, was not implemented.
Sergey Fish:
- The question from our listener Vlad: "In the Donbass is now worsening Tsarev in the Crimea, Donbass again in flames What to do Why can not talk about it...?"
Oleg Tsarev:
- Yes, indeed, are now worsening in the Donbass. And this level of attacks, which are the last few days, fighting under Yasinovataya, this was not a long time. My heart is with the Donbas. If the decision to resume the project, all the MPs - 60 MPs, I support the most intimate connection with them, we are ready to stand up to the system and to work together in the Donbas.
Sergey Fish:
- Thank you!